Real Madrid Vs. Barcelona, 2012 Copa Del Rey: El Clasico Open Match Thread
by Gabe Lezra on Jan 18, 2012 8:27 PM CET
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Update, 9:15 PM CET: WE HAVE LINEUPS!
Real Madrid XI: Casillas; Altintop, Ramos, Carvalho, Coentrao; Xabi Alonso, Pepe, Lass; Cristiano, Benzema and Higuaín.
FC Barcelona XI: Pinto; Alves, Puyol, Piqué, Abidal; Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta; Cesc, Alexis Sánchez and Messi.
Interesting play here by Mourinho. Let's see how it pans out--drop us your comments below!
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Deep breath, madridistas! Real Madrid are gearing up to host FC Barcelona in the first leg of their 2012 Copa del Rey quarterfinal. We've done the best we can breaking down the match from every angle--Lucas has a piece on tactics, Timm talked about injuries, Laila wonders if El Clasico has lost its' sparkle, and I wrote this preview. And there has been more, but I won't bother you with any more links.
So, as we head into the clásico, we only have a few questions: who will win the beautiful hand of Lady Luck? Will Pepe play for Real Madrid? Will Leo Messi continue his brilliant form against Iker Casillas? Will Madrid finally break their losing streak in the Bernabéu to Barcelona?
Tonight we'll answer all of these questions. Hopefully. And then we'll be back at it next week. God help us.
Here are the lineups, though we've refrained from speculating as to the starters.
Real Madrid: Keepers: Casillas, Adán and Mejías; Defenders: Ramos, Marcelo, Varane, Albiol, Pepe, Coentrão, Arbeloa and Carvalho; Midfielders: Lass, Xabi Alonso, Özil, Callejón, Sahin, Granero, Kaká, Altintop, Di María and Khedira; Forwards: Cristiano Ronaldo, Higuaín and Benzema.
Barcelona: Keepers: Valdés, Pinto; Defenders: Piqué, Puyol, Mascherano, Abidal, Montoya, Dani Alves; Cesc, Xavi, Sergio Busquets, Adriano, Iniesta, Jonathan dos Santos, Sergi Roberto; Forwards: Alexis, Messi, Thiago, Cuenca.
HALA MADRID!
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HALA MADRID
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 8:28 PM CET reply actions
HERE HERE!
I’m glad this is the first post! Thanks, Lucas.
And welcome to all the first-time MM’ers! Hope to see as many of you on here as possible!
HALA MADRIIIIID!
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^ This, a thousand times this.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 8:52 PM CET up reply actions
It's not out yet, but it should be soon.
Will update when I see it.
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line up
casillas, coentrao, pepe marcelo
xabi diarra ozil
callejon ronaldo
benzema
by lbcgalactico on Jan 18, 2012 9:05 PM CET via Android app up reply actions
!Hala Madrid!
Looking to wish Los Blancos good luck in today’s match, bring us a solid victory that can’t be questioned!!
by lbcgalactico on Jan 18, 2012 8:56 PM CET via Android app reply actions
¡Hala Madrid!
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
Oh my God!
Official lineup:
Casillas, Altintop, Ramos, Carvalho, Coentrao, Xabi, Lass Pepe, Cristiano, Benzema Higuain
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 9:08 PM CET reply actions
Official Barça lineup
Pinto, Alves, Puyol, Piqué, Abidal, Busquets, Xavi, Iniesta, Cesc, Alexis Sánchez, Messi
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Not yet.
Cadena SER took the credit, but RM has not launched the official statement, so we have to wait. But everybody’s believing it.
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 PM CET up reply actions
I wouldn't be shocked, I just want to update the post
BTW, I LOVE that lineup. Not sure why. Feels solid to me.
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It's official
They just released the lineup
Casillas, Carvalho, Pepe, Ramos, Ronaldo, Benzema, Alonso, Coentrao, Altintop, Higuaín, Lass. #halamadrid
still interesting.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 9:30 PM CET up reply actions
Creativity?
I worry there isn’t enough creativity in the final third.
Unless Ozil, Kaka, Marcelo, and Di Maria are going to be used as super subs later in the game
So, no Özil…
I’m not really liking this.
by gaffychicken on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 PM CET via mobile up reply actions
Wow...That sure is a interesting line up.
..Pepe in the midfield was a given. His only job all night is going to be to shut down Messi. I’m pretty sure that’s all he’s going to do tonight is be the leader of the lollipop guild’s shadow.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 9:14 PM CET up reply actions
1p pst, 4p est, 10p cet
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 9:14 PM CET up reply actions
Can someone explain..
..why first kick is so late? I’ve noticed that about Liga, way late start times well compared to times in the states.
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That's how TV's are here.
They think they get more audience by doing so… insane
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 PM CET up reply actions
wow...
Do we have more injuries besides Di Maria and Khedira? back four with Altintop is questionable, no?
by lbcgalactico on Jan 18, 2012 9:19 PM CET via Android app reply actions
No Arbeloa because of suspension, unfortunately.
Should be interesting, at least.
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Any thoughts on the potential of a Benzema-Higuaín duo up front?
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Im just shocked about Carvalho...
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 9:24 PM CET up reply actions
They've worked well before in the past...
..and gives up a bit more attacking up front.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 9:30 PM CET up reply actions
btw loving the idea of Altintop playing at RB.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 18, 2012 9:29 PM CET up reply actions
Obligatory HALA MADRID!
I hope we finally win this one. As far as formations are concerned, I hope to see that 3-5-2 which was used against Mallorca st some (safe) point of the game.
by gaffychicken on Jan 18, 2012 9:33 PM CET via mobile reply actions
hey everyone! excited?
got a quick look at the lineup. looks like mourinho is looking for a solid midfield and defense with both lass and altintop
hala madrid!
Crazy lineup fellas
But think Mourinho has no chance. It was Altintop OR Altintop if he wanted to play Lass in the middle. Coentrao-Marcelo not a solution.
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 9:41 PM CET reply actions
Yeah, he seemed pretty much obligated to play him.
We’ll see if he’s up to it.
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fingers crossed
im just worried that it might cause a lack of communication considering he usually doesnt start often
hala madrid!
Alright MMers it's about to be the moment of truth!
HALA MADRID
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That over the top ball miss is exactly what we want
It means they’re unsure of how to break down the d
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ARGGGG..
…can’t get anything anywhere to load. This is going to piss me off to no end.
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Can't get it where I'm at..
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 10:08 PM CET up reply actions
I know you all want to reccomend illegal streams
But because of more stringent laws, we actually could get shut down if someone does that
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Exactly. Don't worry kids I have my resources..they're just being damn slow.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 10:10 PM CET up reply actions
Bingo, choppy but I got it.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 PM CET up reply actions
GOALLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
Damn I missed it. ARRRGGG
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 10:16 PM CET up reply actions
oh my, that was close
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
Yeah, didn't see much there at all
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
but htey have to complain!
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
I rarely find myself saying this but...
BE MORE SELFISH, CRISTIANOOOOOOOO!!!
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Sorry dude, not allowed to post me here any more.
Laws n stuff.
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i think he thinks that by imposing himself on the game he can possibly control it
its only going to go the opposite
hala madrid!
Anyone else liking the luck were getting?
Karma for last Clasico?
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We're staggering to the end of this half.
Hopefully we come out better in the next
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so there we have it.
the first half and madrid are 1-0 up thanks to a fast counter and excellent finishing by cristiano.
any thoughts?
hala madrid!
Altintop has been really good on the right.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 18, 2012 10:49 PM CET up reply actions
Team looks very tired men
We need help for Altintop, Barcelona only plays with Iniesta
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 10:50 PM CET reply actions
Barca are attacking through Iniesta
Altintop’s passes have been off and he’s making bad dicsions. Beat too many times by Iniesta.
Higuaín OUT for Özil
And the German helping that out.
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 PM CET up reply actions
what...
Aside from his poor passing and shocking miss?
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 10:52 PM CET up reply actions
Honestly, the 100% most important thing heading into next half is not conceding
Away goals, people, away goals.
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havent seen higuain much.
but i would like to see a creative player come on the pitch to create more chances. maybe kaka?
hala madrid!
Don’t see Di Maria playing in this match don’t wanna risk further injury just because it’s a Clasico. Would like to see Ozil.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 18, 2012 10:56 PM CET up reply actions
Yeah I agree
It sucks though because di Maria would be the perfect complement on that right wing in the 4-3-3
Your not lying. He brings so much energy and would give us a little more creativity. Plus he’s great at putting defenders under pressure.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 18, 2012 11:00 PM CET up reply actions
Ozil before Kaka
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 10:55 PM CET up reply actions
Damn it Tim there you go being anti-Kaka again :) jk.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 18, 2012 10:56 PM CET up reply actions
I know right, I'm just hater..
..ya know haters gunna hate
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 PM CET up reply actions
We're one up
but its only a matter of time till Barca score, we need to spruce play at the front, but then we’ll risk giviing barca more room, and they’re out for blood. Pepe has a yellow card and we know they’re going to do everything in their power to get him sent off.
This is a hard one, but I’ll say sacrifice Pepe, he’s too much of a risk.
I don't like that, Messi really hasn't been a factor because of Pepe I do believe.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 10:57 PM CET up reply actions
Özil for Higuaín
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 10:58 PM CET up reply actions
More midfield we need
Too many transition game
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 10:58 PM CET up reply actions
By putting Ozil to replace Pepe
We likely switch to a 3-5-2 formation to stifle the midfield. Huge risk.
Didn't realize Pep is only 2 years older than I...damn
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Not that I've noticed.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 PM CET up reply actions
Barcelona should just call the games themselves
Who needs refs? They know all the right calls anyways
Something tells me I'm glad I missed that.
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mourinho needs to make a change before we concede again.
we’re even having trouble holding the ball let alone creating chances
hala madrid!
Alexis is a grade A douche bag
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Pepe don't you start diving! c'mon man!
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 18, 2012 11:23 PM CET reply actions
lol
Pepe
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 11:24 PM CET reply actions
I know right, looks even worse in slow slow motion...UGH
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:25 PM CET up reply actions
I know Barca dive
But it’s funny cos it’s Pepe, and we all know Busquets is weak
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 11:26 PM CET up reply actions
Exactly
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:26 PM CET up reply actions
I agree
Should start now…I don’t control the team BTW
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 11:26 PM CET up reply actions
That's weird, I thought we were playing on FIFA
And you’re just better than me. Hmm. Better put down the controller now.
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LOOOOL
Tne best you can say about that is that it’s clear he doesn’t do it much because of HOW BAD it was.
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Yeah not winning any golden globes for that one
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:27 PM CET up reply actions
And here comes the dive fest from both sides...
…ugh
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Messi's dead!
haha
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 11:27 PM CET reply actions
Pat Messi on the head, give him a lollipop and tell him to suck it up
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Wait a second
Pepe loves it
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 11:28 PM CET reply actions
Ima be honest, normally I'd be the first to say that Pepe is insane
But I don’t think that was intentional.
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here's a better one
The two are the best teams in the world, and no-one else beats them?
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 PM CET up reply actions
It's unavoidable..
…that’s the problem
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:39 PM CET up reply actions
There are just too many
takes the novelty out of it. Also it would be nice if other teams won stuff.
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 18, 2012 11:41 PM CET up reply actions
Well...I could really go into the problems with that...
…..but really it comes down to this: Barca and Real have all the $$ most other teams in Liga are barely able to pay their players. Nothing can really be done about it at this point.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 PM CET up reply actions
Well when you're the two best teams in Spain..
…you’re playing in the same tournaments. It’s going to happen. There’s two in Liga, This is the Copa Del Rey…champions league….it just happens.
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 PM CET up reply actions
shit shit shit shit shit
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT
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Amen
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 18, 2012 11:38 PM CET up reply actions
Well I keep loosing my feeds so I'm just going to go take a nap..
…I’m pretty sure I can guess how the rest of this is going to play out. Thank god we’ve got another one. Camp Nou is a pain, but we need to clip it there.
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bad hair day
"I wear tinted visor not to trick other players, but so hot girls in stands don't see me looking at them" - Alex Ovechkin
How many men were back for Barca?
looked like all of them
by Sabrina Dessipe on Jan 18, 2012 11:44 PM CET reply actions
Bad Tactics Again
Can anyone remember the game against Barca at the Nou Camp with Pelligrini in charge. That was how to play them
that was Juande Ramos
Educate yourself
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by Arron Duckling on Jan 18, 2012 11:50 PM CET up reply actions
Not that
We lost 0-1. Ibra scored but MOM was kaka. Dat was a great effort from RM. the 6-2 match was at the Bernabeu BTW. I feel really soooooo sick of RM losing to barca, soooo soooo sick. I just feel for all those RM fans who keep going to the classicos and having their hopes dashed again and again.
I can't believe car also wasn't sent off for his ACL breaking tackle
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well thats that. dissapointing result but props to barca and of course HALA MADRID!
now considering its 2am im going to go catch some sleep. night everyone.
hala madrid!
Set pieces
When they scored the first goal, all was done
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 11:56 PM CET reply actions
read previous comments
I have said this to Timm before and that is this Real team CANNOT beat Barcelona. They are not good enough it is that simple. Barcelona toy with this Real team and I am a fan of Jose but he is caught in the perfect storm and cannot get out of it. He needs to step away and realise that Pepe is useless. Xavi is too slow and there is no creativity anywhere on the park. Where the hell is Sahin? where are the playmakers.. Lass, Coentrao, for heavens sake.. Danni Alvez is a better attacker than our midfield. Its time to wake up and sell Kaka, Pepe, Lass and a few others and bring in Schweinsteiger, Hazard and Neymar who dont fear Barcelona like this team does. They may win the league but will NEVER beat Barcelona with this outfit
Not that fan of throwing a 5-pt lead away.
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 18, 2012 11:58 PM CET up reply actions
Faith is a blind optimist
I know football and these players are rabbits in headlights. Watch the game again tomorrow and Barcelona should have won by 3 goals easy. Pep has Jose nailed!
by oldblueboy53 on Jan 19, 2012 12:01 AM CET up reply actions
Faith is Investment
Each game we invest so much faith on this team, but get heartbreaks in return. When you play well and lose its ok. But if you cant even string passes together like Real Betis vs Barcelona, and you are Real Madrid, then I must say that you are giving your fans too much hurt. We would come again with our investments next week….who knows what would happen. goodnight all.
Hey y'all
It’s gonna be alright. This kind of stuff is annoying, disappointing, etc., but ultimately we’ll all be the better for it. We’ll celebrate harder when that day comes, and we’ll get just that much more enjoyment out of it. Be proud of yourselves for sticking with your team when things were the hardest. We’ve got a great community here—let’s not get too pissed about the result of this one match.
And I’ll see you all next week when we have to do this again, but hopefully with a slightly more fun result. Hala Madrid.
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Never give up
The team is doing its best Mourinho is doing his best. Glad for the Ronaldo’s goal.
After all, it’s just Copa Del Rey. RM has a 5-point lead in La Liga. Let’s win La Liga, hopefully
There is a perfect analogy
between Real Madrid and the Chicago Bulls of the early 1990’s. It took the Bulls 3 years to get the best of the Detroit Pistons and reaching their goal of winning that elusive title. I believe that RM are in that same path and eventually they will get the best of Barca for good. It is inevitable that we’ll win in Nou Camp like or not.
I like this.
I too think we will beat them again eventually it’s just so so frustrating. 1 win in the past 13 Clasicos I think it is now.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 19, 2012 12:22 AM CET via mobile up reply actions
I'm starting to abhor the Clasico with the passion of a thousand suns.
Neither Mourinho or his players have the cojones to play Barcelona face to face. Florentino should hire a mental coach so this group of players can overcome the fucking mental block they get everytime they see a Barcelona uniform.
I’ve been a fan of this club since I was 8 yrs. old, I’m not giving up after just one match (or ten). But damn it, this is freaking frustrating. Seeing how lesser teams are able to contain Barca, yet RM with all its offensive prowess always end up shitting the bed.
Here’s hoping they don’t throw away the 5 pt lead in La Liga.
spot on
I know how you feel. Every team has its nemesis and unfortunately Barcelona just love stuffing it to Real
by oldblueboy53 on Jan 19, 2012 12:12 AM CET up reply actions
not good enogh
the problem lies in our midfield as cryuff had said a few months bak
we need to get sahin fit and in the starting line up
play ronaldo as a striker (no 9) for a few games until hes used 2 it
benzema and di maria in tthe wings
ozil in the centre
and maintain this pressing game
the fact is :barca are better individually and cohesively
so mourinho needs to try something new
Also, what respectable coach, with an ounce of common sense, decides to put a player who hasn’t played in 3+ months, in a match against Barca?
I think Mou is a great coach, heck, the match against Mallorca last Sunday showed that, but there comes a time when you have to start questioning some of his decisions.
Ugly game, uglier outcome
Tonight they played a “turrible” game. At least in the Liga game they played great for 10 minutes, but tonight they giftwrapped the ball to Barça from minute 1.
And when they get the leading goal, they hesitate to play and keep giving the ball to Barça… they don’t have an attacking mentality, and that’s what they must change. Barça is a great team, but Madrid isn’t that bad.
Eventually, like Thierry says, age will catch up with Xavi and Pujol, and things will balance again. Fabregas and Thiago are nice, but they’re not Xavi Hernández, the best player in the game. If Mou and Florentino show some common sense and keep building a young dynamic team, they’ll have their moment.
The other thing this Madrid team should do right now is stop focusing on the refs. Play the game, and shut up. Barça is a more focused team, that’s where they are far superior to Madrid. You could swap Pep for Mou and the result would still be the same, the lack of focus and character is what keeps Madrid from smashing Barça.
Right now, we’re experiencing what Barça fans have lived during decades, so I feel a bit for them, it’s disgusting to face someone who knows his role and executes better than you… and always beat you. Disgusting, really.
Congrats to Barça fans, their team was better today and deserved a good result, although Abidal makes a perfect handball play when he controls the ball.
Hala Madrid, and Hala Managing Madrid ;)
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I don't know what are you talking about
I was proud of my team. It was almost a new team, new formation. But everyone fought hard. Compare this to the last match when we lost 3-1. The spirit of this team was something else. Fighting the whole 90 minutes. Defending very well. I can’t even believe how good Casillas was. Off course we have problems. In another time I will talk about that. But I just love how they stand for the whole game together and tried their best.
It pisses me off when we lose a game like that 3-1. But here, with kind of Real Madrid B, I only can be thankful. Next game we will have Di Maria and Alberoa Back and Ozil/Kaka will play more. Maybe even Khedira. And hopefully we will play a better game.
by Payam Fakhraie on Jan 19, 2012 12:27 AM CET reply actions
I didn't like the game
we can agree to disagree, but I was talking about the same game. They defended well in the first half, but they gave the possession to Barça, waiting for them too close to Casillas.
In the Liga game, they lost 1-3, but they played very well in the first 10 minutes. After that they were scared to attack, and started giving possession AND position to Barça, just like they like.
Madrid should’ve played more aggressively in the second half, attacking them and making them doubt. Instead of that, they giftwrapped the ball to Barça, and as always, they recovered their trust and then played at their pleasure.
In the second half, they’re human and couldn’t keep the defensive intensity. In my opinion, Mou should’ve put Ozil at the start of the second, to mantain the ball in their feet and try to make Barça chase white jerseys. But that’s just my opinion.
I also hope Madrid play better next week, at some point they’re going to realise they can do better than this, and beat Barça. I know they can do it.
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I was gonna say this exact thing. We’re still growing game by game. The bulk of this team has only been together for a year and a half. We’re still very young and there’s lots of potential with this team. Barca have been together much longer and know
each other’s strengths and weaknesses. Things will even out soon and we’ll start getting results just need more time. We’re getting closer we saw that today.
Hala Madrid!
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 19, 2012 1:22 AM CET via mobile up reply actions
Oops meant to respond to Payam.
by MychalShannon1 on Jan 19, 2012 1:23 AM CET via mobile up reply actions
Mou might not be the one to best Barca with Madrid...
The lack of discipline tonight and overall has been fairly awful. That and the players just seem so scared of playing Barca
Recap is up, mates.
You need to check it up and bring the debate there!
Hasta el final, vamos Real.
by Lucas Navarrete on Jan 19, 2012 1:20 AM CET reply actions
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